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mathsyperson

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Registered: 2005-06-22

Posts: 4,900

This site's rating

The offical rating of MathsIsFun is 8.6/10.

Compared with some of the sites I've been on, this is pretty good, so we should all be proud of ourselves.

It's one drawback is that it apparently violates the British Disability Discrimination Act, but then again, so does Google, so it's probably not that serious.

Aaanyway, feel free to either discuss this ranking seriously or just celebrate about it as you see fit. ^_^

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Jai Ganesh

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Registered: 2005-06-28

Posts: 48,425

Re: This site's rating

Thats excellent rating!
Kudos to the Captain, MathsIsFun, and the team!

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Tigeree

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Registered: 2005-11-19

Posts: 13,883

Re: This site's rating

is that bad or good ?

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insomnia

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Registered: 2005-03-23

Posts: 944

Re: This site's rating

Well, I would like to know how we're discriminating against disabled people

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Jai Ganesh

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Registered: 2005-06-28

Posts: 48,425

Re: This site's rating

Insomnia,
I think its somewhere here.....
If you have the patience to read the entire page, maybe you'd know.....

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It appears to me that if one wants to make progress in mathematics, one should study the masters and not the pupils. - Niels Henrik Abel.

Nothing is better than reading and gaining more and more knowledge - Stephen William Hawking.

MathsIsFun

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Registered: 2005-01-21

Posts: 7,713

Re: This site's rating

I certainly hope we are not discriminating.

I think the comments are intended as promotion for that website. It says:

"Pages should be redesigned to meet the W3C standards.

How we can help."

They want to help? That is nice! I wonder how much?

By the way the errors are things like:

Line 20, column 17: there is no attribute "LEFTMARGIN"
Line 20, column 31: there is no attribute "TOPMARGIN"
Line 20, column 47: there is no attribute "MARGINWIDTH"
Line 20, column 64: there is no attribute "MARGINHEIGHT"

These are NOTHING TO DO WITH HUMAN DISABILTY, they are technical matters to do with how browsers like Internet Explorer and Firefox work. None of the errors mentioned would affect a human as far as I can see.

But the 8.6 rating is nice!

(I couldn't help it, I just voted 10/10)

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ryos

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Registered: 2005-08-04

Posts: 394

Re: This site's rating

Congrats! Good Job!

Here's a good article about the British Disability Discrimination Act as it applies to web sites.

And here's a bunch of articles on Web Accessibility. Those validator errors make it look like the site uses deprecated HTML, which is bad, both from a design/maintainance standpoint and an accessibility standpoint...

The site's still great, though.

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Zach

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Registered: 2005-03-23

Posts: 2,075

Re: This site's rating

This website appears to use table-based layout for 20% of its pages. Ideally webpages should be designed without the use of tables for layout. Effective use of stylesheets technology (CSS) allows for true seperation of content and presentation.

No.
No. No. No.
Though CSS is highly powerful tool and can be used effectively if made right, a table based website is much more common. It's harder to make effective CSS than Tables.

All pages were found in violation of the current W3C Web Content Accessibility Guidelines.

This website is probably unlawful in Britain from the 1st October 2004. The British Disability Discrimination Act makes it unlawful to discriminate against a disabled person by refusing to provide any service provided to members of the public - including websites.

Show error details (110 errors found over 5 pages)Hide error details

Webpage http://www.mathsisfun.com
35 errors found - only displaying first 10 (see all results)
Line 20, column 17: there is no attribute "LEFTMARGIN"
Line 20, column 31: there is no attribute "TOPMARGIN"
Line 20, column 47: there is no attribute "MARGINWIDTH"
Line 20, column 64: there is no attribute "MARGINHEIGHT"
Line 20, column 79: there is no attribute "BACKGROUND"
Line 20, column 104: there is no attribute "HEIGHT"
Line 20, column 114: there is no attribute "WIDTH"
Line 21, column 35: document type does not allow element "A" here; missing one of "P", "H1", "H2", "H3", "H4", "H5", "H6", "PRE", "DIV", "ADDRESS" start-tag
Line 21, column 119: there is no attribute "BORDER"
Line 24, column 40: there is no attribute "WIDTH"
Line 61, column 81: there is no attribute "TARGET"

Webpage http://www.mathsisfun.com/math.html
17 errors found - only displaying first 10 (see all results)
Line 16, column 17: there is no attribute "LEFTMARGIN"
Line 16, column 31: there is no attribute "TOPMARGIN"
Line 16, column 47: there is no attribute "MARGINWIDTH"
Line 16, column 64: there is no attribute "MARGINHEIGHT"
Line 16, column 79: there is no attribute "BACKGROUND"
Line 16, column 104: there is no attribute "HEIGHT"
Line 16, column 114: there is no attribute "WIDTH"
Line 17, column 35: document type does not allow element "A" here; missing one of "P", "H1", "H2", "H3", "H4", "H5", "H6", "PRE", "DIV", "ADDRESS" start-tag
Line 17, column 119: there is no attribute "BORDER"
Line 20, column 40: there is no attribute "WIDTH"
Line 20, column 45: start tag for "TR" omitted, but its declaration does not permit this

Webpage http://www.mathsisfun.com/number_algebra.html
24 errors found - only displaying first 10 (see all results)
Line 19, column 17: there is no attribute "LEFTMARGIN"
Line 19, column 31: there is no attribute "TOPMARGIN"
Line 19, column 47: there is no attribute "MARGINWIDTH"
Line 19, column 64: there is no attribute "MARGINHEIGHT"
Line 19, column 79: there is no attribute "BACKGROUND"
Line 19, column 104: there is no attribute "HEIGHT"
Line 19, column 114: there is no attribute "WIDTH"
Line 20, column 35: document type does not allow element "A" here; missing one of "P", "H1", "H2", "H3", "H4", "H5", "H6", "PRE", "DIV", "ADDRESS" start-tag
Line 20, column 119: there is no attribute "BORDER"
Line 23, column 44: there is no attribute "WIDTH"
Line 60, column 81: there is no attribute "TARGET"

Webpage http://www.mathsisfun.com/shape_space_measure.html
17 errors found - only displaying first 10 (see all results)
Line 16, column 17: there is no attribute "LEFTMARGIN"
Line 16, column 31: there is no attribute "TOPMARGIN"
Line 16, column 47: there is no attribute "MARGINWIDTH"
Line 16, column 64: there is no attribute "MARGINHEIGHT"
Line 16, column 79: there is no attribute "BACKGROUND"
Line 16, column 104: there is no attribute "HEIGHT"
Line 16, column 114: there is no attribute "WIDTH"
Line 17, column 35: document type does not allow element "A" here; missing one of "P", "H1", "H2", "H3", "H4", "H5", "H6", "PRE", "DIV", "ADDRESS" start-tag
Line 17, column 119: there is no attribute "BORDER"
Line 20, column 40: there is no attribute "WIDTH"
Line 20, column 45: start tag for "TR" omitted, but its declaration does not permit this

Webpage http://www.mathsisfun.com/data.html
17 errors found - only displaying first 10 (see all results)
Line 16, column 17: there is no attribute "LEFTMARGIN"
Line 16, column 31: there is no attribute "TOPMARGIN"
Line 16, column 47: there is no attribute "MARGINWIDTH"
Line 16, column 64: there is no attribute "MARGINHEIGHT"
Line 16, column 79: there is no attribute "BACKGROUND"
Line 16, column 104: there is no attribute "HEIGHT"
Line 16, column 114: there is no attribute "WIDTH"
Line 17, column 35: document type does not allow element "A" here; missing one of "P", "H1", "H2", "H3", "H4", "H5", "H6", "PRE", "DIV", "ADDRESS" start-tag
Line 17, column 119: there is no attribute "BORDER"
Line 20, column 40: there is no attribute "WIDTH"
Line 20, column 45: start tag for "TR" omitted, but its declaration does not permit this

Validation services courtesy of W3C Validator.

Recommendations: Pages should be redesigned to meet the W3C standards.

The W3C is not law. Technically, no site has to meet with the Disablity act too.
This site doesn't meet as it doesn't include functions such as Text Only, I expect. Which are quite lame. That is not what makes a good website, that's just a waste of time.

W3C standards drag anyway.

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jU

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Registered: 2005-08-17

Posts: 1,923

Re: This site's rating

actually 8.7 me voted too

MathsIsFun

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Registered: 2005-01-21

Posts: 7,713

Re: This site's rating

Thanks jU

And I agree with you Zach - I use tables all the time because they do just what you want, where you want. Every page I make is an individual!

I use CSS for overall colour/font size/etc, and I do use some CSS for layout (like I have a "50 pixel indent" thingy), but for me, if I want 3 columns of different sizes then I just make a table to suit. And IE and Firefox understand

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ryos

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Registered: 2005-08-04

Posts: 394

Re: This site's rating

I will agree that CSS is broken as a layout tool. But so are tables, as the markup now stands.

I've found from my own experience that CSS layouts are harder to get right, but much, much easier to modify and maintain.

And, from an accessibility standpoint, tables can force you to code elements in a different order than they will appear on the rendered page. So, if somebody's using a screen reader to access your site, they'll be thoroughly bamboozled when things are read out of order.

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Tigeree

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Registered: 2005-11-19

Posts: 13,883

Re: This site's rating

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People don't notice whether it's winter or summer when they're happy.
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